Episode 3

Growing countries and Shrinking countries and population problems

Published on: 9th October, 2025

Global population changes are complex but it can be argued that many countries, but not all, fall into one of two groups, each with very different problems. First, there are the relatively poor, low income, developing countries with high birth rates and rapidly growing populations.Most sub Saharan African countries fall into this group. Second, there are richer, developed, countries with low birth rates and a generally slow growing, static or even falling population. Many European countries fall into this category and they face problems of shrinking labour force, an ageing population and growing welfare bills for pensions and health care. Not surprisingly there is a growing global trend for people to try to migrate from the first group to the second. Countries in the first group include Nigeria, Ethiopia, the Democratic Republic of Congo and many other sub-Saharan countries. In many of the these countries over 50% of the population is aged 18 or under. By contrast, in Japan, the country with the oldest population in the world, some 30% of people are now aged 65 or over and many parts of rural Japan are now shrinking villages of the elderly. The birth rate in Japan is now far below replacement rate (2.1 children per woman) and the countries population is continuing to fall. Many European countries are not too far behind. Italy has 22% of its population over 65 and Finland, Greece, Portugal, Germany, Bulgaria, Croatia, France all have over 20%. But one of the least well known but most remarkable countries is China. It currently has a population of 1.3 bn but this has now peaked and is starting to fall. And, as consequence of Mao's one child policy and the subsequent rapid economic growth, very few families have more than one child and China's population is forecast to almost half by the end of the century on current trends. The problem now facing many affluent developed western countries is the falling proportion of economically active people and a growing, ageing, dependant population of retired people. This poses problems both for the cost of care and the supply of care workers and for expenditure on pensions. Not surprisingly, many young people are trying to migrate from the first group of countries to the second, though both Japan and China have relatively little inward migration from overseas.

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Klaus Dodds

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Klaus Dodds is a leading expert in geopolitics and human geography, specialising in the polar regions, border issues, and global security. He is a Senior Research Fellow at RAND Europe and an Honorary Professor of Geopolitics at Royal Holloway, University of London, where he worked for 30 years. He is currently Interim Faculty Dean for Science and Technology at Middlesex University London

Klaus is the author of many books, including the co-written volume Unfrozen: The Fight for the Future of the Arctic (2025), Border Wars (2022), and the best-selling Geopolitics: A Very Short Introduction. His books have been translated into many languages and reviewed in leading newspapers, magazines, and social media platforms.

Beyond the academy, he served as a specialist adviser to several UK parliamentary select committees, including the House of Lords Select Committee on the Arctic and the House of Commons Environmental Audit Committee. He has worked with NATO’s Strategic Foresight Analysis group, advising on future geopolitical trends. Dodds has also provided expert advice to the European Parliament’s Foreign Affairs Committee, amongst other international bodies and companies.

Klaus’s focus is on investigating and explaining how geopolitical and resource competition will shape the present and future. His insights have been gleaned from many years of working with commercial, military, and government stakeholders, alongside global travel which has enabled him to gain first-hand experience of this competition.

Chris Hamnett

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Chris Hamnett is Emeritus professor of geography at King's College London and a visiting professor in the Department of Urban Planning, Renmin University, Beijing. He has held visiting appointments at UBC, Vancouver; University of Cambridge; LSE; Nuffield College Oxford; Sciences Po, Paris; George Washington University, Washington DC, Netherlands Institute of Advanced Studies; UESTC, Chengdu and RUC, Beijing.

He has authored or co-authored several books including 'Cities, Housing and Profits', 1987'; Winners and Losers: the housing market in contemporary Britain, 1998; Safe as Houses: Housing wealth and inheritance in Britain, 1991; A Shrinking world, 1995; London: Unequal city, 2003; Ethnicity, Class and Aspiration, 2011 and Gentrification: An Advanced Introduction, 2021 and over 100 papers in international journals.

He has written for the Times, the FT, the Guardian and the Independent. He is particularly interested in social and housing change in big cities. He was research director of the Nugee Committee on Leasehold flats which led to the 1987 Landlord and Tenant Act, and was a member of both City of Westminster and Ealing Housing Commissions.